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England were routed in historic fashion by South Africa, as their tortured Cricket World Cup campaign lurched to a new low in Mumbai with their biggest-ever ODI defeat egame
In desperate need of a big response after their shock loss to Afghanistan last time out, the defending champions plumbed new depths as they were roundly thrashed by 229 runs at the Wankhede Stadium egame
Jos Buttler’s decision to field first in sweltering heat and stifling humidity backfired badly as Heinrich Klaasen’s brutal 61-ball century powered South Africa to 399 for seven egame
England’s reply was wafer thin, 170 for nine in 22 shambolic overs egame
In purely numerical terms it represented England’s worst-ever ODI performance with the ball, shipping one run more than their previous worst against Brendon McCullum’s New Zealand eight years ago, a new nadir outstripping last year’s 221-run hammering by Australia egame
On that occasion, Buttler’s men were mentally checked out as they had celebrated their T20 World Cup win just a few days earlier, but the stakes could not have been greater this time egame
Mark Wood’s figures of seven wicketless overs for 76 took the biscuit egame
But he was hardly alone in being put to the sword, with South Africa’s 13 sixes shared egame between all six English bowlers, and 143 runs raining down in 10 calamitous death overs egame
Klaasen, sapped by dehydration and cramp, was the star of the show with 109 in 67 balls egame
But he enjoyed a stunning stand with Marco Jansen, who cleared the ropes four times as he launched 75 not out from 42 egame
The batting unit made sure to take its share of the shame, knocked over for an embarrassing 170 on the same pitch that had delivered a run-fest in the preceding four hours egame
England have now lost three of their first four games and, although they still have a convoluted and narrow route to the semi-finals, face the prospect of traipsing around India for the next month with their hope and their trophy gone egame
Hard to believe though it was by the end, England enjoyed the perfect start when Reece Topley had danger man Quinton de Kock caught behind off the second ball of the match egame
Even less plausibly, they looked to be regaining a measure of control when Topley returned from a finger injury to strike twice and leave South Africa wobbling at 243 for five in the 37th over egame
Instead, Klaasen led Jansen in a merciless stand of 151 in just 77 deliveries, with boundaries pouring off their bats in every direction egame
England’s team sheet showed a significant response to their Afghanistan upset, with all-rounders Chris Woakes, Liam Livingstone and Sam Curran axed in favour of the fit-again Ben Stokes, David Willey and rookie seamer Gus Atkinson egame
Buttler put his new-look attack to work straight away and was overjoyed to see De Kock nick Topley’s early outswinger egame
That was as good as it got egame
Things veered off course in the seventh over when Topley thrust his left hand out towards a firm drive off his own bowling and damaged his index finger egame
He beat an angry retreat to the pavilion, lashing out at an empty chair, and in his absence England faltered egame
Reeza Hendricks, taking the place of the sick skipper Temba Bavuma, made 85 and Rassie van der Dussen 60 as they took control with a stand of 121 egame
Adil Rashid was also struggling physically, doubled in pain egame between overs as he managed a stomach upset of his own, but the leg spinner still had the nous to prise out both set batters to give England hope egame
After taking running repairs on his finger, Topley came back with a double of his own to see off Aiden Markram and David Miller, but that is where the bleeding really began egame
Klaasen had reached his 50 in 40 balls and doubled his score in half the time, battering Topley out of the attack once and for all with 19 off one over egame
Willey lost his radar totally after a bout of cramp, Wood’s woes continued and Atkinson’s last-gasp dismissal of Klaasen was the hollowest of victories egame
England’s attempts at a dazzling pursuit never once looked like materialising as their top six collapsed in a heap inside 12 overs egame
Jonny Bairstow lofted to deep square leg, Joe Root flicked to the waiting leg slip and Dawid Malan feathered one off his hip egame
Even the returning Stokes had no magic tricks at his disposal and pushed a low catch straight back to Kagiso Rabada egame
The quartet mustered 23 runs egame between them egame
That left Buttler and Harry Brook as the last specialist batters, and unheralded seamer Gerald Coetzee picked up both in the space of three balls: one caught behind, the other pinned lbw by a skidder that kept low egame
A flurry of big hits from Wood, who smashed 43 not out off just 17 balls, and a lively 35 from Atkinson only made the batting failures more profound and the latter’s dismissal ended a horrendous night, with Topley unfit to take guard egame
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All of Pep Guardiola’s work ahead of the Manchester derby this weekend has naturally revolved around having a high percentage of possession, which is to be expected, but there is one surprising element to it egame
He has been scrutinising what more pragmatic sides such as Brentford, Brighton and even Copenhagen did against United for instruction egame
All of them went to Old Trafford looking to get on the ball and dominate – with mixed success – in a way that at one point would have been unimaginable egame
It is really only Nottingham Forest who didn’t take that approach this season, preferring to let United have the ball egame
In United’s nine Premier League games so far, they have had lower possession than their opponent in four of those egame
In other words, they’ve been chasing the opposition in almost half of their games egame
On the ballManchester United’s possession in the Premier League this season (per cent)51 - Wolves (h)44 egame
3 - Tottenham Hotspur (a)66 egame
3 - Nottingham Forest (h)45 egame
2 - Arsenal (a)43 egame
9 - Brighton (h)38 egame
2 - Burnley (a)77 egame
1 - Crystal Palace (h)63 egame
9 - Brentford (h)62 egame
5 - Sheffield United (a)This would be unusual for most big sides in this era but is particularly unusual for a manager in Erik ten Hag who is so consciously a disciple of the Ajax principles, and has now had well over a year in the job egame
That’s a lot of time on the training ground egame
Manchester City had even considered him a potential successor to Guardiola, given the tactical alignment egame
So it’s fair to wonder why exactly United aren’t closer to any kind of ideal as Ten Hag would surely see it egame
They currently don’t play anything like his Ajax side, let alone City or that possession-pressing model egame
By the same point in Guardiola’s tenure, City were on a winning run that would bring a 100-point season egame
United have instead gone backwards, which fits into a wider concern over how the side haven’t really had a convincing display since before the Carabao Cup final victory over Newcastle United egame
Ten Hag’s recent reliance on Ole Gunnar Solskjaer stalwarts such as Harry Maguire and Scott McTominay would almost seem to sum this up egame
United are even playing more like Solskjaer’s time, just making do in the moment in order to get through egame
It's all so ad hoc egame
Harry Maguire’s header earned United all three points against Copenhagen (EPA)The biggest question, out of many for the United manager, is whether this is a deeper concern egame
Does it show he won’t implement his ideal; that a window of opportunity has been lost?As with pretty much everything at United right now, everyone puts it down to injuries egame
That is the explanation for the unconvincing displays and the pragmatic approaches egame
Ten Hag hasn’t had the players so has had to compromise egame
But is that really sufficient? Would the idealist that Ten Hag supposedly represents not still seek to integrate the squad in an approach that will serve them much more in the longer term?You only have to look across the way, and the one season when Guardiola faced a broadly similar situation egame
In 2016-17, when the City manager still lacked some of the player profiles he wanted – especially at full-back – he still insisted on the exact same approach egame
John Stones was often the main focus of this egame
Although the defender was still learning the game, meaning he was prone to mistakes as he endured so much external noise, Guardiola told him to just shut it all out egame
He followed by telling Stones to keep playing the ball out egame
Ignore the shouts to get rid egame
Concentrate on commitment to the ideal egame
It led to some humiliating moments, not least four-goal concessions against both Leicester City and Everton egame
Guardiola himself was lampooned, particularly after some questions led to his own notorious pondering of “what is tackles?”A year later, the City manager was specifically citing that period – and that persistence – as absolutely crucial to the run that effectively made them champions by December 2017 egame
That the win to clinch the title came away to Jose Mourinho’s counter-attacking Manchester United only emphasised the point egame
An achievement like that 100-point season was a consequence of how the players’ deeper comprehension of the system amplified their performance egame
Figures at Old Trafford would fairly argue that Ten Hag was initially going to do this, but the onslaught from those first defeats against Brighton and Brentford at the start of last season was just too much egame
The second goal conceded at Brentford, trying to pass the ball out from the back, was just too calamitous egame
United being United, it brought a level of ridicule and hysteria beyond anything City could face egame
Ten Hag had to change something or it could have completely destroyed the squad’s confidence in themselves and him, before he ever got the chance to build belief in the system egame
They would also point to how Guardiola benefitted from spending £200m on defenders in his second season, including two cornerstones of the era in Kyle Walker and Ederson egame
By contrast, Ten Hag has attempted to fill tactical gaps in his side with relatively makeshift signings like Sofyan Amrabat and Christian Eriksen egame
A serious club, some in the industry argue, doesn't take the team to the next stage with a 20-year-old (Rasmus Hojlund, a Chelsea cast-off (Mason Mount) and two loanees (Sergio Reguilon and Amrabat) egame
Sofyan Amrabat arrived at Old Trafford on loan this summer (Getty Images)Those at City would nevertheless laugh at such arguments given United’s expenditure over the years egame
Ten Hag is currently in the process of ousting an £85m signing in Jadon Sancho egame
City would say their purchases have just been much more forensic egame
That isn’t the only potential difference egame between the situations egame
Although both Guardiola and Ten Hag have evolved from the same Dutch-Spanish ideology, those national backgrounds have produced divergences in interpretation egame
It comes down to different types of purism egame
Guardiola will stick to the system regardless egame
It's his way egame
He will always try and play through it egame
Ironically, and almost paradoxically, Ten Hag’s willingness to compromise arguably reflects a greater dogmatism egame
Those who know the Dutch coach say he has such a fixed idea of certain positions that if he doesn’t have exactly the type of player he wants, he doesn’t see the point of persevering in the same approach egame
That’s also why the injuries have been so undermining egame
Ten Hag has lacked some of his main passers, but especially Lisandro Martinez egame
The Argentine’s absence has had the effect of forcing Andre Onana to go long and removing that link to the midfield egame
It disrupts the whole system egame
Maguire and McTominay just aren’t suited to that game, but it is to their credit both have persevered and sought to learn in the circumstances egame
They illustrate this period of adaptation more than anyone, especially given how influential they have been egame
There’s almost a contrast in the Scottish midfielder’s game egame
An instinct for prosaically passing the ball sideways is offset by a willingness to proactively get forward and score egame
Maguire meanwhile made a calculation of his own egame
Sources with knowledge of his situation said one reason he turned down West Ham United was because he saw the issues United were going to have at centre-half egame
Martinez’s injury and Raphael Varane’s inability to play consistently meant there were going to be chances egame
Maguire has seized them and then some egame
Ten Hag praised his evolution on Tuesday night, as the centre-half furthered his recent redemption with a greatly valued match-winner against Copenhagen egame
“He’s playing much more proactive in possession, stepping in, passing vertical, defending also on the front foot, also stepping in, defending forward, very confident in the duels,” the manager argued egame
“I think he’s dominating in the right moment, putting the question, dominating his opponents egame
”Ten Hag is having to compromise on his ideals this season (Getty Images)United just aren’t doing that on a collective level egame
All of this is why Ten Hag was so insistent on Frenkie De Jong in his first summer at Old Trafford egame
He saw his former Ajax midfielder as unique in his interpretation of that specific midfield role the coach wants egame
The only player Ten Hag saw as coming close, in terms of potential attributes, was Ryan Gravenberch egame
That’s the reason he went so big on De Jong, against all evidence egame
When he couldn’t get De Jong, Ten Hag realised he had to go in a different direction egame
So it’s been a bit of all or nothing egame
The same applies to the team as a whole egame
Either Ten Hag has exactly what he wants, or he just can’t commit to that approach egame
It’s why there isn’t too much concern about the visible lack of ideology now egame
There is confidence that will return when sufficient players return, especially Martinez egame
A fair question is whether crucial time has been lost in deepening the ideology egame
A fair point for Sunday, meanwhile, is that this actually might serve United against City egame
Unless Ten Hag has the team exactly as he wants, it is always going to be a mistake trying to go toe to toe with Guardiola in terms of getting feet on the ball egame
The Catalan’s City are always going to be so dominant you have to adapt around them egame
Otherwise, you risk an evisceration egame
The current situation plays into that egame
United have almost no choice but to plan without possession on Sunday egame
The very decision to appoint Ten Hag was supposed to be about something grander, though egame
They were supposed to be rising to City's level egame
United instead have to try and bring the champions down, by leaving them the ball egame
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